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Post by on Feb 28, 2007 21:20:20 GMT
If I was able to come, I wouldn't bleat, Bob! Honest....!!!
Whatever plans everyone has for the event, I am DEAD JEALOUS.....
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Post by Geoff F on Feb 28, 2007 23:07:55 GMT
Bob, I must agree with your sentiments. Do we need to Upgrade The Natter that does Not Matter on Friday to be the NTM ?? I have every support for a Package Tour but do not feel that there is any making of a NTM as another night/s on this tour. We have an across Switzerland Tour to our favourites planned and a rendezvous with old like minded friends for a social evening at Stelvio looked good. Thursday evening may be a possibility but otherwise we will stay in St Moritz and take a day tour to Italy. Geoff F.
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Post by John Ponting on Feb 28, 2007 23:13:25 GMT
Must say I'm a little concerned the Natter is now planned to be the Friday night, doesn't really fit with my plans. but thats my problem, I'd have only planned to stay one night in Turin anyway. But Neil, what do we know, I mean you and I were only the ones to come up with the idea back in 2004. Must admit to being a little confused now other people are telling me what the original concept was! If Piggotts horse had been as high as your's Bob, he would never have got on. As I'm the one who said "... the intention was (I BELIEVE) ... " then I have to assume you are ranting at me. My post was directly aimed at some visitor who posted under the name of " Widget spirit of adventure"If this was you then tough. I tried to explain the intent of the Natter to a moaner, as I got it from you back in 2004. As I have never actually seen you at a Natter (I went in 2005 & 2006) I have been unable to discuss it with you since. I also felt able to explain the purpose of the Natter as I was the prime mover in the 2006 Natter. I was equally upset that the dates that were becoming traditional for the Natter had been booked by another event but ... they got in first this year. Looks like those that want to do an Italian Run will, those that want to join for a Natter will ... I'm sure that most regular eventers will enjoy a summer of MG comraderie. It might have been nice to share a photo with you at the top of the Stelvio and a drink at the Natter but after 2005 and 2006 I'm not amazed. Maybe we can all sit down together over a pint in April? and discuss?
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Post by Widget spirit of adventure on Mar 1, 2007 0:05:33 GMT
My post was directly aimed at some visitor who posted under the name of " Widget spirit of adventure"Hello. Widget here. Not a moaner, just an observer with nothing to gain or lose. I was equally upset that the dates that were becoming traditional for the Natter had been booked by another event but ... they got in first this year. I read between the lines 'Hijacked' without thought or consideration. A bit like the RFU scheduling the Calcutta Cup on FA Cup Final Day. I think football is rubbish and Rugby is the game of Kings, so I don't give a damn - but that's not the point. It's possible, but not good planning or an act bearing any thought or consideration. This theme continues with the presumptious block hotel reservation, on a night that clashes (no surprise there then) with previously made arrangements in open forum, against the spirit of ever pulling the two events together. How is anyone leaving the UK after work on Friday going to make the NTM on Friday night in Turin? xx to all - Widget, spirit of Adventure. Boo to compulsory enjoyment. Hurrah to open roads and free spirit. ;D
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Post by John Ponting on Mar 1, 2007 0:18:16 GMT
This is beginning to get out of hand and has the possibility of ruining what could be a nice summer of MGing.
The Natter concept is a good one, and one that I enjoy. I'm not one for long convoys with frequent stops for others to catchup (any more than I expect others to wait for me). However, I understand that many people do like this type of trip, particularly those with limited experience of driving in other countries.
There is a planned and announced F-Register event; preliminary dates have been published and details are being released as they become available. Maybe it would be sensible to open a thread specifically for the Italian Job? Maybe details could be posted there as they become known?
Then this thread can revert to its original purpose (whatever the original poster intended that to be).
Whether it should be NTM, NTDM, NTDGAT, NTNW is irrelevant. What is still lacking for the Natter is a date and a location - and, probably, an "organiser" (in name only as nothing is supposed to be organised).
I've been on natter type events where 30 vehicles have arrived at a designated hotel at a designated time with less drama.
The annual Highlander is such an event: DC posts the dates and location with a phone number for the hotel. Everybody makes their own arrangements and travels when they feel like it. Dinner is at 1900 on the Friday evening - be there or miss it. Works for everybody.
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Post by cannonballbob on Mar 1, 2007 5:16:29 GMT
I have to assume you are ranting at me. Not at all John. I know you well enough not to rant at you. But there have been plenty of other references made. I know there are people out there who are wary of foreign travel, but the near-fanatical organisation that's crept in to this event is hardly encouraging them or giving them any confidence since everything has been taken out of their hands. I would've helped and assisted anyone in terms of planning, booking, and meeting up en-route but what I won't do nor see the need for is to plan every last waking minute for people. I've said it before but repeat, the original NtM idea was aimed at those people who do NOT want a planned package tour but DO want a meet, as an alternative to the plethora of "You pay, we say (what you're doing)" tours that already exist. Simply saying "Tell you what, come along and have a beer on the Friday" is hardly a genuine alternative and is, as mentioned, simply hijacking one event in order to support another. And I don't see the point in paying hotel bar prices. And I ain't Widget.
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Post by Adrian Clifford on Mar 1, 2007 9:25:15 GMT
I find it rather disrespectful some of the views that are being cast in view of the amount of time and effort being put in to this dual meeting.
It has always been the intention to allow people who want to do their own thing to do exactly that, arrive at a given hotel for a certain time, then get together for a pint and a Natter, which, by the way is still on for Saturday, nothing has changed, we arrive Friday night to enable us to be in place for the roof drive on the Saturday. Then you make your own way home as you want to and when you want to, if you wish to drive the Stelvio, please do, I'm not going to tell you or even suggest when you do, some seem to be blowing this out of the water.
Those that have asked to travel together are being considered as a seperate trip, the Italian Job, we will continue on up the Stelvio Pass on Monday, after the weekend in the hotel in Turin with a walking tour of the city.
Fabio is inviting others to attend to minimise the €1000 cost for the roof drive and to meet F'ers from the UK.
If anybody does not want to take part because they don't like this then you don't have to, please try not to ruin it for others that do.
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Post by cannonballbob on Mar 1, 2007 10:14:03 GMT
arrive at a given hotel for a certain time, then get together for a pint and a Natter, which, by the way is still on for Saturday, nothing has changedBut earlier you said we "have" to aim to be there on the Friday night. Disrespectful it may be, but this is all getting a) confusing b) misleading c) not what more people than might be obvious actually want. Why oh why couldn't it just be left to the KISS principle of "Date-time-venue"? I want absolutely nothing to do with an organised tour, but that option has been taken away hence I'm now making other plans. I (and quite a few others) never wanted, asked for or needed any third party effort to go in to this, in fact, the intention was always the exact opposite, so please excuse me if I'm not forthcoming with gratitude. So you'll jump up and down and say there are those who cannot read a map nor get by in Franglais without someone there to supervise them. Fine, let them go on the Italian Job, Treffen Kempenrit and every other guided tour. Can the rest of us please have a NtM as originally conceived?
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Post by John Ponting on Mar 1, 2007 11:23:53 GMT
Why oh why couldn't it just be left to the KISS principle of "Date-time-venue"? I (and quite a few others) never wanted, asked for or needed any third party effort to go in to this, in fact, the intention was always the exact opposite, so please excuse me if I'm not forthcoming with gratitude. Can the rest of us please have a NtM as originally conceived? Bob, take the initive and coordinate a NTM - name a date / time / venue. If there are as many takers as NTM Angoulene 2006 then try for a decent sized venue as at least 25 will want to sit down to eat after a long drive.
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Post by Keith Williams on Mar 1, 2007 18:02:39 GMT
Without adding more fuel to the fire, especially not any from Tesco or Morrison's after todays news , the main aim of the club seems to have be getting lost here as each post gets added to the thread. MG = friendly people enjoying their cars!The posts were starting to put me off from joining either venture into Italy. I just want to enjoy my car with like minded people for fun! Things have got 'confused' with two major events happening together but with such a full year, certain events were bound to clash. Looking at the hotel Adrian indicated last night as the venue, I am fired up again for the trip. Coincidentally, the hotel was on the Holiday programme last night - and yes, I did miss it.
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Post by stu on Mar 1, 2007 18:06:32 GMT
A-NTM .....Ireland anybody ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by John Ponting on Mar 1, 2007 20:25:32 GMT
The posts were starting to put me off from joining either venture into Italy. I just want to enjoy my car with like minded people for fun! Things have got 'confused' with two major events happening together but with such a full year, certain events were bound to clash. Looking at the hotel Adrian indicated last night as the venue, I am fired up again for the trip. Coincidentally, the hotel was on the Holiday programme last night - and yes, I did miss it. Keith, don't be put off the atmosphere at these meets is great. Monaco in 2005 was special - we stayed in The Columbus (owned by David Coulthard) with a nice view from our 8th floor balconey; we made our own way there but met up with friends on the Friday night for drinks and dinner in the hotel; Saturday we all did our own thing wandering around Monaco before joining for a Natter in the Cafe de Paris in Casino Square. Turin 2007 has the makings of something very similar - I've been told we will be there. There is no way that Lyn is going to miss a run down the Aosta Valley and through Barolo country. Somebody at work told me it had been on holiday prog - Lyn is looking to see if it gets repeated.
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Post by TimM on Mar 2, 2007 0:26:47 GMT
I've deliberately sat back and had a bit of a laugh at all this and I don't intend to add too many more coals to the fire but...
It's all so simple really.
Natter is at the Hotel Le Meridien Turin on Saturday night - If you don't want to do anything else other than that then that is fine. If you don't even want to do that then what's the point of adding to this thread ?
Suggestion is staying Friday and Saturday at that hotel as we did on both previous natters - no difference there. Some stayed longer.
There is an additional attraction to drive the roof of the Fiat building on saturday and have a look around Turin- sounds good to me. (Previously we wandered Monacao and Angouleme - much the same)
If anyone wants they can then join in on a drive to Bolmio on sunday to stay at another hotel there and then drive the Stelvio passes on monday which should be a good laugh (as long as it's not snowing ).
That's it.
What is the point in getting all personal and aggressive - it's a fun event for MGF/TF people - any newcomers looking at this will recieve a bad impression and think we're all a bunch of contrary old duffers when we're not ....or are we ?.
Full details and a booking contact for the hotel will be posted by Adrian any second. It's not until September and by my cllaculations we've only just left February.
Get there how you want and get back how you want - there's no package tour but if people want to travel together, as any of the two other natters, then that's fine as well - Adrian is happy to lead a small group - this is not removed from the Natter spirit at all.
We're going on the Tuesday , I know someone making their way out at the weekend - others are going on wednesday, Bob was going on the Thursday but might not now - some are hanging around the following week - some are going straight home - all seems pretty loose to me.
I would hope this thread can be left to dwindle now until Adrian posts the definitive plan........I'm quite sure that won't happen though .
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Post by colintf on Mar 2, 2007 13:35:20 GMT
Yes please!
Please add me to Adrian's list! (Keen or what!?!)
Thankyou!
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Post by on Mar 2, 2007 13:54:07 GMT
Oh no....Turin...the hotel...Stelvio......I'm really having second thoughts now..... ARGHHHHHH!
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